{"id":886,"date":"2025-02-08T13:13:56","date_gmt":"2025-02-08T13:13:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.dc4reality.org\/updates\/?p=886"},"modified":"2026-04-09T17:08:54","modified_gmt":"2026-04-09T17:08:54","slug":"chevychasecommunity-dc-zoning-commissions-vote-on-chevy-chevy-commercial-district-january-30-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.dc4reality.org\/updates\/886","title":{"rendered":"[ChevyChaseCommunity] DC Zoning Commission&#8217;s Vote on Chevy Chevy Commercial District January 30"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"postie-post\">\n<div>\n<div class=\"ydpe680d064yahoo-style-wrap\" style=\"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;\">\n<div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" data-setdir=\"false\">This message seems to confound the availability of spaces for larger families with &#8220;affordability.&#8221;&nbsp; For the first, building cods could be the problem.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve heard that requiring double exits rather than just a outcome based fire safety standard makes it more difficult to design multi-bedroom units.&nbsp; &nbsp;In any case, the solution cannot be to just impose a specific mix of unit design and price range.&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"ydpe680d064signature\">\n<div style=\"font-family:new times, serif;font-size:16px;\">\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"font-family:new times, serif;font-size:16px;\">Thomas Hutcheson<br \/>(Writes &#8220;Radical Centrist&#8221;)<\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"font-family:new times, serif;font-size:16px;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/thomaslhutcheson.substack.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/thomaslhutcheson.substack.com<\/a><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"font-family:new times, serif;font-size:16px;\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div id=\"yahoo_quoted_9950121391\" class=\"yahoo_quoted\">\n<div style=\"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;\">\n<div>                          On Friday, February 7, 2025 at 10:52:24 AM EST, d.c. forrd &lt;<a href=\"mailto:dc4reality@gmail.com&#038;gt\" >dc4reality@gmail.com&#038;gt<\/a>; wrote:                      <\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<div id=\"yiv9968725424\">\n<div dir=\"ltr\">\n<div dir=\"ltr\">\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div>\n<div style=\"text-align:center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.dc4reality.org\/updates\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/YIMBYNIMBYs51.jpg\" width=\"488\" height=\"488\"><\/div>\n<p><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\">When <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/rF5cyXKTeP0?feature=shared\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Zoning Chairman Anthony Hood<\/a> says <b>&#8220;affordable housing is a problem&#8221; in Ward 3<\/b>, the only real problem is that the housing he and the Commission, and the Office of Planning, and the Attorney General&#8217;s Office, and the Mayor, perhaps the Councilmember, or anyone else touting it &#8212; <b><i>the housing they are talking about is NOT truly affordable for anyone who really needs it the most.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/i><\/b><\/font><\/div>\n<div><b><i><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/i><\/b><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\">That is, DC&#8217;s so-called affordable housing <b><i>is out of reach<\/i><\/b> of all working-class residents <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/Y3_Hf_84Mn0?feature=shared\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">making DC&#8217;s minimum wage and certainly families<\/a> because <b><i>the income bar is purposely set so high as to shut them out<\/i><\/b>.&nbsp;<\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\">This isn&#8217;t rhetoric. The recent independent DC Auditor&#8217;s report shows these facts, which I found here &#8212; <a href=\"https:\/\/savedcpublicland.org\/the1617project\/2024\/12\/12\/independent-dc-auditor-report-on-inclusionary-zoning-key-highlights-citations-w-pdf\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">click this link<\/a>.<br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div>\n<div style=\"text-align:center;\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.dc4reality.org\/updates\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/image002.png\" style=\"margin-right:0px;\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\" style=\"background-color:rgb(252,229,205);\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\" style=\"background-color:rgb(252,229,205);\"><u><i><b>Key findings from the <a href=\"https:\/\/dcauditor.wpenginepowered.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Inclusionary.Zoning.Audit_.11.20.24.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Auditor Report on DC&#8217;s primary &#8220;affordable&#8221; housing<\/a> production program:<\/b><\/i><\/u><\/font><\/div>\n<ul>\n<li><font size=\"4\">More than <b>half of DC&#8217;s primary &#8220;affordable&#8221; housing units<\/b> (called IZ) have been built to <b>serve the 80% AMI\/MFI bracket<\/b> of IZ-registered households (~1,050 \/ ~2,000 IZ units set at 80% MFI).\n<p><\/font><\/li>\n<li><font size=\"4\"><b>65% of the IZ units were built for   mostly single-persons<\/b>, perhaps some two-person households (1,300 studio &amp;   1-bedroom units had been built).\n<p><\/font><\/li>\n<li><font size=\"4\">This means the <b>vast majority of DC&#8217;s &#8220;affordable&#8221; units are for professionals making $85,000\/year<\/b>.\n<p><\/font><\/li>\n<li><font size=\"4\">More than <b>4,600 IZ registrants are 3+ person households (families)<\/b> vying for just one hundred and twenty-three <b>(123) three+ bedroom IZ units built.<\/b><\/font><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align:center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.dc4reality.org\/updates\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/Screenshot_2024-11-22_20-05-02.jpg\" width=\"488\" height=\"258\"><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"6\"><u>So, we should all have a problem with DC&#8217;s &#8220;affordable&#8221; housing IZ program &#8212; <b><i>IT&#8217;S NOT AFFORDABLE<\/i><\/b> &#8212; yet serves as the convenient guise to allow private developers to profit from building more unaffordable luxury housing, in this case on the public Commons at the expense of permanently disturbing the public assets we have there.<br \/><\/u><\/font><br \/>For those clamoring for more unaffordable IZ units, I can assure you they will be peppered throughout all the new density up and down Wisconsin, Connecticut, etc.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><u><br \/><\/u><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><u><br \/><\/u><\/font><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align:center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/savedcpublicland.org\/the1617project\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/Screenshot_2024-05-22_19-51-30.png?w=762&amp;ssl=1\" width=\"488\" height=\"316\" style=\"margin-right:0px;\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\">Even Chairman Hood understood how all this works at one point: <\/font><b><font size=\"4\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=oTFXDTg8KPg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=oTFXDTg8KPg<br \/><\/a><\/font> <\/b><\/p>\n<blockquote style=\"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;\" class=\"yiv9968725424gmail_quote\"><p><font size=\"4\"><i>\u201cI can tell you, some of the concerns that I&#8217;ve had, not just with this   case, I hear all this about affordable housing and we talk about it all   the time and don&#8217;t get me started. [I&#8217;m] really getting on this because   from my standpoint, I&#8217;ve said this previously, [on] affordable housing, <b>it seems like the more housing we get the more the price goes up.&nbsp;<\/b>   I hear the argument Mr. Dettman, that if you increase the supply, [let   me] make sure I got my economics right, if you increase the supply the   cost comes down. <b>[But] we increase the supply and [the price of housing]   goes up<\/b>. That&#8217;s Anthony Hood&#8217;s opinion. I&#8217;m a realist. I&#8217;m going about   what I see, not what I hear, because if I go by what I hear, yea   everything is affordable.\u201d <\/i><\/font><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<p><font size=\"4\"><u><br \/><\/u><\/font><\/div>\n<div>\n<div style=\"text-align:center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.dc4reality.org\/updates\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/biznassman_profiting_from_luxury_housing_on_public_land1-1.jpg\" width=\"485\" height=\"488\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align:center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align:center;\"><\/div>\n<p><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"6\"><i>Bottom-line:<\/i> <b>We don&#8217;t want more unaffordable housing built on public land. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.socialhousingcenter.org\/blog\/we-cannot-build-our-way-out-of-the-affordable-housing-crisis-through-private-sector-production\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Building more unaffordable housing doesn&#8217;t reduce prices of housing<\/a>, it&#8217;s harming us.<\/b><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\">Certainly the other day <b><a href=\"https:\/\/savedcpublicland.org\/the1617project\/2025\/02\/06\/council-hearing-dc-residents-slam-city-officials-for-prioritizing-connected-developers-and-luxury-playtime-over-black-dc-families-truly-affordable-housing\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">folks at the DMPED oversight hearing comprehend and feel it<\/a><\/b> and took time to speak up. <\/p>\n<p>For example Rondell Jordan said (<\/font><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/live\/R44Nifxaw6E?feature=shared&amp;t=14648\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/live\/R44Nifxaw6E?feature=shared&amp;t=14648<\/a>)<font size=\"4\">:<\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<blockquote style=\"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;\" class=\"yiv9968725424gmail_quote\"><p><font size=\"6\">(4:05:44) <i>&#8220;The inclusionary zoning program, touted as a   solution to housing affordability, has been nothing but a smokescreen   for gentrification. IZ has done more to fuel displacement of Black   residents than to stop it.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><\/i>(4:06:14)<i> &#8220;The district\u2019s flagship   affordable housing program amounts to nothing more than modern-day   redlining. Instead of red lines on a map, we now have affordability   requirements rigged to exclude Black residents.&#8221;<\/i><\/font><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><b>It&#8217;s time for the &#8220;affordable housing&#8221; charade to end.<\/b><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"6\"><i>There are solutions &#8212; let&#8217;s start discussing a social housing model aka human housing aka grown-folks housing aka resilient and self-propelled housing on public land.<\/i><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\">Chris Otten<\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\">DC for Reasonable Development<\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.dc4reality.org\/updates\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">www.dc4reality.org\/updates<\/a><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\"><br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><font size=\"4\">&nbsp;<br \/><\/font><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<p>On Thursday, February 6, 2025, John Wheeler via <a href=\"http:\/\/groups.io\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">groups.io<\/a> &lt;johnwheeler.dc=<a ymailto=\"mailto:gmail.com@groups.io\" href=\"mailto:<a href=\"mailto:gmail.com@groups.io\" >gmail.com@groups.io<\/a>&#8221; target=&#8221;_blank&#8221; rel=&#8221;noreferrer noopener&#8221;><a href=\"mailto:gmail.com@groups.io\" >gmail.com@groups.io<\/a><\/a>&gt; wrote:<\/p>\n<blockquote style=\"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;\" class=\"yiv9968725424gmail_quote\">\n<div dir=\"ltr\">\n<div class=\"yiv9968725424gmail_default\">  <\/p>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\">\n<div>There was no misstatement in my post. ANCs are statutorily required to provide at least two forms of notice for meetings. While DC OAG has previously stated in prior guidance letters that posting notice via email listserv is acceptable, &#8220;posting a meeting notice on the ANC website could qualify as another &#8216;manner approved by the Commission&#8217; as long as the ANC approved it by vote.&#8221; ANC 3\/4G&#8217;s bylaws do not specify that valid notice includes posting on the ANC&#8217;s website. So, unless the ANC specifically voted at the 1\/27 meeting to provide notice via its website of the 1\/29 special meeting, then the special meeting would be invalid.<\/p>\n<p>And it is nonsensical to argue that the meeting was urgent because the Zoning Commission was meeting the next day to decide the case that was the subject of the urgent meeting. Yet the ANC knew of the meetings months before and had discussed it months before. The urgency was created by the ANC failure to act sooner, not a lack of notice.<\/p>\n<p>As to the substance of the ANC\u2019s last second resolution:<\/p>\n<p>1. The notion that there is anything that has not been said in testimony already given before the Zoning Commission or in the years of public discussion that might have been said in a contested hearing doesn\u2019t make sense\u2014they heard from the ANC and affected people, they just were not convinced that the ANC\u2019s concerns outweighed the goals of the Comprehensive Plan and the affordable housing crisis.<\/p><\/div>\n<div>2. Chairman Hood\u2019s question concerning the negative reaction to affordable housing in Rock Creek West is perfectly legitimate. Many people are asking the same thing.<\/div>\n<div>3. The response to my post shows a lack of knowledge of how a contested hearing is conducted. Parties (that includes the ANC) have a limited amount of time to present a case. A party cannot cross-examine the decision makers (members of the Zoning Commission). A party can cross examine witnesses. That also means that ANC commissioners, assuming they are witnesses, can be cross-examined. The ANC would be required to submit well in advance of the hearing, its list of witnesses, a statement of what each witness will say, and what it intends to prove. To do it right, is a lot of work. However, in this case, I cannot imagine there would be any testimony that has not already been given over and over at the Rulemaking hearing. So, in the end, it is a big waste of lots of people\u2019s time with the Zoning Commission reaching the same decision.&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div>&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div>John Wheeler<\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"yiv9968725424gmail_default\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div class=\"yiv9968725424gmail_default\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div class=\"yiv9968725424gmail_default\">\n<div>To correct the misstatements of a prior post, first, that ANC 3\/4G illegally conducted its January 29th meeting, DC Code \u00a7 1-309.11(c) allows for ANC meetings to be held on short notice &#8220;. . . in the case of an emergency or for other good cause articulated in the notice.&#8221; The situation was critically time-sensitive given that the Zoning Commission was to meet the next day to ratify its earlier decisions in case 23-25, addressing the rezoning of upper Connecticut Avenue from Livingston St. to Chevy Chase Circle. The ANC gave notice to the community and approximately 60 participants attended the meeting online, which is in keeping with usual online attendance.<br clear=\"none\">&nbsp;<br clear=\"none\">With respect to the ANC\u2019s resolution noting bias in the case by Anthony Hood, Chairman of the Zoning Commission, his remarks are available on YouTube, as cited below.<br clear=\"none\">&nbsp;<br clear=\"none\">November 9, 2023 (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=8A0ZQjAbjYs\" shape=\"rect\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=8A0ZQjAbjYs<\/a>, starting at 2:06:50): \u201c\u2026every time there&#8217;s something done in uh West Rock Creek there&#8217;s always much much opposition and I want to submit that to the to the residents of Rock Creek West the whole other City we&#8217;re trying to make it affordable for people to live in what is it about affordable housing that Rock Creek West and I know this is probably gonna give me they&#8217;re gonna come after me but that&#8217;s fine I&#8217;m used to it now what is it about Rock Creek West it always there&#8217;s a problem with and not this not my first time saying it&#8217;s always a problem with affordable housing what is it really that&#8217;s trying to happen there I&#8217;m make no accusation I&#8217;m just curious uh I know there&#8217;s some maybe some zoning issues but it&#8217;s whenever it&#8217;s affordable housing I notice there&#8217;s a lot of opposition that gets drummed up and that&#8217;s not a question for office of planning that&#8217;s for the public so I will be asking that question as if we move if it&#8217;s set down.\u201d<br clear=\"none\"><br clear=\"none\">April 29, 2024 (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=8MiDnfH9EqI\" shape=\"rect\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=8MiDnfH9EqI<\/a>, starting at 2:52:00): &#8220;So why is it that every time something comes up, the word of affordable housing comes up in Ward Three, it\u2019s a major issue? Am I missing something here? Why is it that the rest of the city accepts it and does it, but when it comes to this area, it\u2019s always something?&#8221;<br clear=\"none\"><br clear=\"none\">May 23, 2024 (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=T18uiysiL0g\" shape=\"rect\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=T18uiysiL0g<\/a>, starting at 2:59:00): A Chevy Chase resident asks Chair Hood to retract his remarks about Ward Three. At 3:12:30 Chair Hood responds to her request, saying that he stands by his comments about Ward Three. &#8220;Every time you talk about affordable housing, there seems to be a problem.&#8221;<br clear=\"none\">&nbsp;<br clear=\"none\">The Zoning Commission\u2019s decision to conduct rulemaking as opposed to a contested hearing process for case 23-25 effectively precluded the ANC from cross-examining Chair Hood to challenge his assertions. His bias against our community could have played a role in the Zoning Commission\u2019s decision to make it a rulemaking case in the first place, limiting the ANC\u2019s involvement. Furthermore, it could have played a role in the Zoning Commission\u2019s failure to give proper notice to the ANC of the November 9, 2023, hearing referenced above when the Zoning Commission \u201cset down\u201d the case as rulemaking. That was the one and only opportunity for the ANC to argue for a contested case at the set down.<br clear=\"none\"><br clear=\"none\">Consequently, far from addressing \u201cin great detail\u201d concerns raised by the ANC about case 23-25, the Zoning Commission followed a process that by design prevented the ANC from going into great detail. It not only restricted our ability to question Chair Hood on his comments, but also to represent in full the views of our constituents.<br clear=\"none\"><br clear=\"none\">By November 2023, the ANC had just completed the largest survey in its history, probing the opinions of our residents regarding the proposed redevelopment of the Civic Core. These opinions were brushed aside by the Zoning Commission, which gave the ANC hardly more time to testify than DC residents who do not even reside in Chevy Chase.<br clear=\"none\"><br clear=\"none\">Surely, the many important issues created by the upzoning of Upper Connecticut Avenue that will irreparably impact the community deserved a full and fair airing before an impartial Zoning Commission. 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